DisplayFusion RSS: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/RSS/?TopicID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05 DisplayFusion RSS: Button issues Sun, 14 Jun 2026 12:14:37 GMT en hourly 1 https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/RSS/?TopicID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05 RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#34 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:00:49 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#34 DisplayFusion Just waiting for 1 more button, should make it into Beta 8. :) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#33 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:12:16 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#33 DisplayFusion
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Jon, I suppose we just need a different icon for when you just have two monitors and you're just using one button to go in both directions. Something like [].


I second that!
Looking forward to the final button designs. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#32 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:22:48 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#32 DisplayFusion @pyrobob: I decided not to rate-limit the HotKeys, in case someone comes up with a use for wanting a repeating one. If you don't want it to repeat, don't hold the keys down. :)

@PeterDackers: Sorry, that is a known issue. :( It isn't specific to Task Manager, it will happen with any window that is "always on top". I'm trying to have it worked out for Beta 5. Thanks! ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#31 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:32:37 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#31 DisplayFusion I thought I'd open a reply here, didn't want to open a completely new topic regarding some issues with the buttons. After all, this topic is called 'Button issues'. :)

First of all, the lag of the buttons is gone, the buttons look great with the new mouse hover and I totally love them. Better yet, how could I've ever done without them? Very nice job Jon!

I did however found some strange behavior while dragging the Task Manager under Vista. (It also happened in Beta 03, but then I saw you released Beta 04, so I gave that a spin first). When I open the Task Manager in Vista, all is fine. But as soon as I click the Caption bar or drag the window slightly, the buttons seems to disappear under the window and loose their functionality. (Shown in the attached screen shot). It's highly repeatable as it happens every time I open the Task Manager. Anything you want me to check on this end? Let me know. :)

Windows Vista Home P. OEM. 32-bit.

/Edit: added my edition of Windows. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#30 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:22:37 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#30 DisplayFusion
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Indeed, much of it is voodoo magic... especially in x64 versions of Windows. :) When you say they hang around for a split second, are we talking about 50ms, 500ms or 1 second?

Oh, barely noticeable. Maybe 100ms. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#29 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:48:53 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#29 DisplayFusion Eh? No way to make DF not listen after its held for a second? ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#28 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:33:27 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#28 DisplayFusion @pyrobob: There isn't much I can do about that. If someone wants to move the window that many times than more power to them. :) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#27 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:37:21 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#27 DisplayFusion I don't see any lag for jumping...

Something a little unrelated though: Holding the move to next monitor shortkey still queues infinity, aka holding it resulting in a moving window for a while. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#26 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:28:05 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#26 DisplayFusion Indeed, much of it is voodoo magic... especially in x64 versions of Windows. :) When you say they hang around for a split second, are we talking about 50ms, 500ms or 1 second? ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#25 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:52:19 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#25 DisplayFusion Bravo on the titlebar buttons. Virtually no lag now (except when you click for a window to jump to the next monitor the buttons are left behind for a split second - but livable :-)) They still float around slightly when you wiggle a window, but no one is really going to notice the movement now. Great job! Keep doing that VooDoo that You Do... 8-) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#24 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:39:58 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#24 DisplayFusion I completely understand, and I always hate things that seem half-baked. I am very happy to report that the button lag is completely gone in the upcoming Beta 3. I spent ~15 hours last weekend re-writing the entire hooking system to support this new feature. I am now using global hooks to update the titlebar buttons in realtime, with 0 lag. Because the hooking has proved so fast I was also able to reduce the poll frequency from 500ms to 1250ms, which has actually resulted in a performance increase despite the hooks. :) Good news all around. The only time that the hooks don't work is a 32bit application running under a 64bit version of Windows. This is something I just can't work around, unfortunately. DisplayFusion is running as a 64bit process (on 64bit Windows) and can't load a 32bit hook DLL. I am trying to resolve this issue, but it will take some real voodoo magic. :) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#23 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:30:06 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#23 DisplayFusion Maybe I ought to clarify what I consider distracting: Something that moves asynchronously to what is being moved, that is, two different movements when you expect only one. Whilst turning off the caption button when dragging a window would work, it doesn't fix the problem when the task bar drops down over the window caption and the button (appears to) slide on top of the task bar.

That said, and as Windows programmer to Windows programmer... it just looks amateurish. I would rather not enumerate the number of times I've been told to fix a behavior that I thought wasn't that bad. :cry: (Of course, a few of them were genuine Windows behaviors, but that was a different battle.) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#22 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:34:32 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#22 DisplayFusion Although you are right about the term caption, I think titlebar speaks more to itself. Especially to people who's native language is not English? Just a thought. :)

And I wouldn't call the redrawing distracting to be honest, yes it's noticeable, but that's it. Maybe a good idea would be like 'benway' suggested? Turning them off while dragging. On the other hand you could go completely bananas and let the user type in a polling rate, but I'm afraid a lot of people will then change it to '0' and start complaining. :P

Sorry I can't add anymore than that Jon, the latest Beta seems to be running fine over here after I've excluded some applications from the titlebar buttons. For example: ZBrush. :) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#21 Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:36:24 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#21 DisplayFusion
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The button lag is a consequence of the way I designed the system. I opted for a "polling" system, instead of hooking each individual window and adversely affecting system performance. This means a slight lag (500ms to 1000ms), but I hope it's something we can all live with. :)


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I'd like to vote for a performance option, here. The caption icons are much too lazy when redrawing. Distracting, in fact. I'm guessing they are a floating topmost level window. When something happens quickly, you get a momentarily overlay. For example, I use the auto-hide feature of the task bar (yours and Windows). See the picture. Moving a window quickly causes the icon to chase the caption, like the Windows mouse-tails feature.

I like the feature, but wouldn't use it the way it behaves now.

Last, do you really want to use the generic term titlebar? Under Windows, this part of the window is usually referred to as the caption. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#20 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:46:14 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#20 DisplayFusion
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Thanks for the encouragement everyone. :) I will be working to reduce the lag, but I want to avoid polling more frequently (performance) or hooking individual windows (performance/stability). I'll keep everyone posted if I come up with a good method. :)

Jon, if you stay with the current implementation, I might suggest turning the buttons off during a drag and then back on when the window is stopped (if that's possible for the current window only). This would hide the perceived lag problem. (just a thought) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#19 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:10:21 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#19 DisplayFusion
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I would like to note that in the latest beta that Skype is worse than before. The custom button from display fusion covers the close button within Skype. Please review attached picture. I would also like to note that DF doesn't even try to draw its custom buttons on Office Communicator in this latest build? Nice job with the new buttons by the way. They look very good.

Office seems to be it's own beast... :-( ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#18 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:51:28 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#18 DisplayFusion I would like to note that in the latest beta that Skype is worse than before. The custom button from display fusion covers the close button within Skype. Please review attached picture. I would also like to note that DF doesn't even try to draw its custom buttons on Office Communicator in this latest build? Nice job with the new buttons by the way. They look very good. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#17 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:54:00 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#17 DisplayFusion has anyone played with ultramon? How fast does it update? Jon should be able to match them within reason..... ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#16 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:18:56 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#16 DisplayFusion Thanks for the encouragement everyone. :) I will be working to reduce the lag, but I want to avoid polling more frequently (performance) or hooking individual windows (performance/stability). I'll keep everyone posted if I come up with a good method. :) ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#15 Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:37:54 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#15 DisplayFusion Right with ya benway, I'm one of the longhauls too remember? Lol.

I just figured Jon had his ideas for them that would reduce that lag, but for now its to be expected.

Anyone know how fast ultramons buttons move? We can do better than them in everyway! ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#14 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:16:10 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#14 DisplayFusion
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1000ms is a second . as long as they don't float for 2 seconds its nothing to really report.

Haha, good one. milliseconds does sound like so much less than a second. :-P Guess I should have googled up a conversion table.

But, I'm afraid this noticeable lag is going to be pointed out as a flaw by reviewers, because it does seem like something's wrong (thus my reporting it). I'd consider going the other route of sticking them solid if the performance is negligible. I'm not criticizing this great product (Jon knows I've been here since early on supporting it), but trying to help make it better. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#13 Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:54:59 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#13 DisplayFusion 1000ms is a second . as long as they don't float for 2 seconds its nothing to really report. ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#12 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:19:53 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#12 DisplayFusion
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The button lag is a consequence of the way I designed the system. I opted for a "polling" system, instead of hooking each individual window and adversely affecting system performance. This means a slight lag (500ms to 1000ms), but I hope it's something we can all live with. :)

Hmm, it seems I'm seeing something quite a bit longer than 500ms to 1000ms delay. I can quick grab a window and scoot in to the other monitor and still see the DF buttons stay behind on the other monitor. Seems nearly a second... ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#11 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:13:17 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#11 DisplayFusion
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The button lag is a consequence of the way I designed the system. I opted for a "polling" system, instead of hooking each individual window and adversely affecting system performance. This means a slight lag (500ms to 1000ms), but I hope it's something we can all live with. :)

Any chance of an option in the near future to choose the hit on system performance if a user wants, so it doesn't lag behind? ]]> RE: Button issues https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#10 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:32:11 GMT Binary Fortress Software https://www.displayfusion.com/Discussions/View/button-issues/?ID=688cd6dd-9efb-49b9-afb5-76f93e923a05#10 DisplayFusion MS Office communicator = not standard title bar style or size: ]]>