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A bunch of Windows 7 related things!

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sLAUGHTER
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Nobody seemed to reply to the other thread I made, that's all right though. For future reference, everything in this post, and most likely my other posts, unless stated otherwise, are about Windows 7.

Now, I wouldn't know if this is a problem, but I'm an anxious guy when it comes to having up-to-date stuff, so I check for updates often. Upon clicking "Check for Updates", the tray tooltip bubble shows after some time, but it seems random.

Onto the suggestions!:

I was told that grouping will soon be implemented. Wonderful, but it'd be best if it worked with windows while doing so. So hopefully I'm not reinventing the wheel here, by nudging you guys in the right direction. The following is to make DF in-tune with explorer by copying the appearance properties that show labels, combine, etc.
The registry info is found at HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1535552917-1703280819-2154316518-1000\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced (although I'm not quite sure if the node would be named the same thing), the key is TaskbarGlomLevel, and here are the values and what they do.
  • 0 - Always combine taskbar buttons, and hide labels. (Windows Default, compact buttons.)
  • 1 - Only combine taskbar buttons when taskbar is full. Unless the screen is full of many instances of the same program, it doesn't group them per se, here's a screenshot of the main taskbar doing so: http://i33.tinypic.com/2569vsy.jpg (grr, tinypic resized it, but it still shows.) But other than that kind, it will regularly group them with the stacked button look.
  • 2 - Never combine. (also shows labels, and does the weird grouping like shown above, so this one is just about already done on DF, hehe.)
Some careful manipulation of that would be an awesome addition, although you'll need to find a way to make explorer accept it, hopefully without restarting it. There's probably some sort of shell command to refresh it. I never worked with explorer besides trays, so I'm just guessin'.

A "Show Desktop" button in the bottom right corner of the rightmost screen could be useful...:roll: Or perhaps on each screen, whatever. :-D In some future addition, if this is put into place, Aero Peek can also be integrated, using the DisablePreviewDesktop key in the same registry folder as before. 0 = On, 1 = Off.

This one is REALLY not necessary: The smooth mouse-over switching between task bar button previews... :wink:

Ahh, just came onto another idea. If you mouseover buttons in the DF taskbar while desktop composition is disabled, they still show graphical previews.

Small note in case nobody knew: MSN counts as two taskbar buttons unless you go into the default installation folder, C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger ...and right click msnmsgr (or msnmsgr.exe if you have it showing extensions), and go to Properties Compatibility set to Windows Vista

EDIT 1: When the taskbar is on the left or right side of the screen, the captions should turn off.

EDIT 2: Another suggestion! Dragging and dropping desktop items/folder items into taskbar, pinning it.

EDIT 3: Haha, sorry for making you guys work/read so much, but i found somewhat of a bug. :p I won't say it, pretty self explanatory. http://i38.tinypic.com/21274gp.jpg
See a difference? (besides the start button) :-D Windows 7, Classic theme. IDK why anyone would do something stupid like that, but I'm just bored and experimenting. :D

EDIT 3.14159265...: So I have the Windows taskbar on the bottom of my primary screen and the DF taskbar on the right of my secondary screen. When I moved the Windows taskbar to the bottom, the DF taskbar resized its own width to the height of the Windows Taskbar. I know it's supposed to do tha, but it severely cuts off captions, (which shouldn't be there regardless, see EDIT 1.) It would be easier if it used a concrete formula to figure out the size it should be if its on the left or right, judging by the Win taskbar size and position. :D

EDIT 4: Sheesh. http://i35.tinypic.com/1zps3zm.png o-o seems wrong. If I go to TitleBar Buttons and press Auto, it goes to Windows 7 (Basic) which is closer to working, although offset a bit.

EDIT 5: I'm totally gonna be banned for all the edits. But yeah, It'd be smart if, on a vertical taskbar, if you mouseover the first button, that the preview goes UNDER the tooltip, instead of the tooltip covering the preview itself.

EDIT 6: All right. Last one for the night haha. Idk if it's just me, but window snapping doesn't work at all. o-o

EDIT 7: Haha, a couple days later...ok so if you go to the top-middle of one of your screens desktops, and middle click, the icons all shift to the next screen. It's something to do with the titlebar middle click setting I would assume, damn releasecapture and sendmessage... :roll:

That's all for now.

Hope this helps get some ideas flowing.

- sLAUGHTER (or Steve)
Sep 19, 2009  • #1
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sLAUGHTER
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Much needed self-bump =[
Sep 24, 2009  • #2
Jon Tackabury (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Sorry, it's been a zoo trying to keep up with the support request volume this week. I've got this topic flagged for response tomorrow (Friday). There's a lot of points in your post, and I want to properly address each one.
Sep 24, 2009  • #3
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sLAUGHTER
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Mmmk then.
Sep 25, 2009  • #4
Jon Tackabury (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Let me see if I can address each of these points:

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I was told that grouping will soon be implemented. Wonderful, but it'd be best if it worked with windows while doing so. So hopefully I'm not reinventing the wheel here, by nudging you guys in the right direction. The following is to make DF in-tune with explorer by copying the appearance properties that show labels, combine, etc.
The registry info is found at HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1535552917-1703280819-2154316518-1000\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced (although I'm not quite sure if the node would be named the same thing), the key is TaskbarGlomLevel, and here are the values and what they do.

* 0 - Always combine taskbar buttons, and hide labels. (Windows Default, compact buttons.)
* 1 - Only combine taskbar buttons when taskbar is full. Unless the screen is full of many instances of the same program, it doesn't group them per se, here's a screenshot of the main taskbar doing so: http://i33.tinypic.com/2569vsy.jpg (grr, tinypic resized it, but it still shows.) But other than that kind, it will regularly group them with the stacked button look.
* 2 - Never combine. (also shows labels, and does the weird grouping like shown above, so this one is just about already done on DF, hehe.)

In some earlier DisplayFusion 3.1 builds I was using the Windows setting. However, a surprising number of people want the DF taskbar to behave differently to the Windows taskbar, so I just added a setting to control the icons/text. I'll probably do the same with grouping and have a setting that operates independently to the Windows setting.

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Some careful manipulation of that would be an awesome addition, although you'll need to find a way to make explorer accept it, hopefully without restarting it. There's probably some sort of shell command to refresh it. I never worked with explorer besides trays, so I'm just guessin'.

You're right about that, changing explorer's settings while it's running sometimes doesn't do anything until the next restart.

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A "Show Desktop" button in the bottom right corner of the rightmost screen could be useful...:roll: Or perhaps on each screen, whatever. :-D In some future addition, if this is put into place, Aero Peek can also be integrated, using the DisablePreviewDesktop key in the same registry folder as before. 0 = On, 1 = Off.

This is a planned setting for a future release.

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This one is REALLY not necessary: The smooth mouse-over switching between task bar button previews... :wink:

This is already included in the next version, which you can see in the new public beta here:
http://www.binaryfortress.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1310.0

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If you mouseover buttons in the DF taskbar while desktop composition is disabled, they still show graphical previews.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here - is that a bad thing or a good thing? They are supposed to show a window preview, even without composition enabled.

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Small note in case nobody knew: MSN counts as two taskbar buttons unless you go into the default installation folder, C:\Program Files\Windows Live\Messenger ...and right click msnmsgr (or msnmsgr.exe if you have it showing extensions), and go to Properties > Compatibility > set to Windows Vista

This is something that I haven't figured out how to cleanly deal with yet. I can move both MSN windows to the DF taskbar, but then you lose the excellent jump-list items. So, for now I just move the contact list, and leave the "base" hidden window alone.

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EDIT 1: When the taskbar is on the left or right side of the screen, the captions should turn off.

By captions, do you mean the tooltips for the previews, or the text on the icons? Both are configurable in the Settings, so everyone can have it anyway they want it.

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EDIT 2: Another suggestion! Dragging and dropping desktop items/folder items into taskbar, pinning it.

Taskbar pinning is coming in a future version.

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EDIT 3: Haha, sorry for making you guys work/read so much, but i found somewhat of a bug. :p I won't say it, pretty self explanatory. http://i38.tinypic.com/21274gp.jpg
See a difference? (besides the start button) :-D Windows 7, Classic theme. IDK why anyone would do something stupid like that, but I'm just bored and experimenting. :D

Like I mentioned before, if you don't like the text you can easily turn it off in the settings. If you make your taskbar a bit wider on while vertical it will actually display the text as well (on the Windows taskbar).

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EDIT 3.14159265...: So I have the Windows taskbar on the bottom of my primary screen and the DF taskbar on the right of my secondary screen. When I moved the Windows taskbar to the bottom, the DF taskbar resized its own width to the height of the Windows Taskbar. I know it's supposed to do tha, but it severely cuts off captions, (which shouldn't be there regardless, see EDIT 1.) It would be easier if it used a concrete formula to figure out the size it should be if its on the left or right, judging by the Win taskbar size and position. :D

This is a bit trickier than it sounds. Also, you can override the DF taskbar size using one of the settings from the "Advanced Settings" page. One day I hope to work in taskbar resizing using the mouse.

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EDIT 4: Sheesh. http://i35.tinypic.com/1zps3zm.png o-o seems wrong. If I go to TitleBar Buttons and press Auto, it goes to Windows 7 (Basic) which is closer to working, although offset a bit.

Oops, this is a bug and I'll fix it before the next release.

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EDIT 5: I'm totally gonna be banned for all the edits. But yeah, It'd be smart if, on a vertical taskbar, if you mouseover the first button, that the preview goes UNDER the tooltip, instead of the tooltip covering the preview itself.

LOL - no ban, I promise. :) I'll check this issue out before the next release.

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EDIT 6: All right. Last one for the night haha. Idk if it's just me, but window snapping doesn't work at all. o-o

It should work, make sure it's enabled and it only snaps to the monitor edges, not other windows (yet).

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EDIT 7: Haha, a couple days later...ok so if you go to the top-middle of one of your screens desktops, and middle click, the icons all shift to the next screen. It's something to do with the titlebar middle click setting I would assume, damn releasecapture and sendmessage.

Wow, that's a bad bug. I'll have this fixed.

In the future, instead of editing your post, can you create new posts in this topic? It's hard for me to track what's been added/changed in your post. :) Thanks for the excellent feedback!
Sep 25, 2009  • #5
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sLAUGHTER
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Hmm, wonderful!

Ahh, I now see the setting with the text and icons...It confused me, so I never changed it. Good looks.

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In the future, instead of editing your post, can you create new posts in this topic? It's hard for me to track what's been added/changed in your post. :) Thanks for the excellent feedback!


I'll start as soon as I have a new suggestion...And no problem! :D
Sep 25, 2009  • #6
Jon Tackabury (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
In an effort to cleanup the DisplayFusion forum, this topic is being locked and archived because it applies to an older version of DisplayFusion. If you are using the latest version of DisplayFusion and would still like some assistance, please create a new topic and I'll be happy to help you out. Thanks!
Feb 4, 2010  • #7
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