So last night i installed new GPU drivers, and updated to the newest displayfusion beta.

this morning, I hit my windows position profiles hotkey and everything i had perfectly spaced and oriented since about ever, was suddenly bigger than usual and overlapping.

I figured it was displayfusion, but was also scared it was nvidia changing something about monitor sizing/pixel count/who knows. Also on an insider build which is now up to windows version 2004 and i knew that came with a new WDDM i believe - so either way, I figured after someodd years I might have to redo my windows for over 100 items >.<

Well, the TLDR version is, rolled back and all was fine. So something with at least the current beta is wonky in that regard. (i had been using another beta between the current stable and the current beta, so it had to be introduced somewhere in between)

hey! thanks for the post. Ive put off trying again but its as good a time as any. Perhaps it was just one of those things. Will let ya know how it goes.

well, its been a minute so i decided to roll forward again. updated to 9.7 beta 5, and its doing it again immediately.

worth noting that just this morning i did an in place upgrade of windows 10 so its as close to fresh as its gonna be. also different gpu drivers than last time.

id venture theres some kinda bug either with scaling, or multiple displays. something.

unless you have a suggestion on a workaround im gonna have to roll back down again.

just tried on an entirely different pc. same issue.

4k monitors. one system has 2. the other 1. one system intel, the other amd.

both use 150% scaling.

both on 19041.153 (20H2/2004)

if theres any other info i can offer just say so!

want it exported with the current live/stable/troublefree version, or after i upgrade to a beta and the trouble starts?

in the interim, i downloaded the portable of 9.7 as it looks like you guys just released a new beta.

i was able to close the 9.6, open the 9.7 and hit my hotkey for window position and it exhibited the troublesome behavior.

closed it, opened the 9.6 and hit the hotkey again. Went right back to the way its always been.

until i hear back i was pouring through my settings, pretty much all i have set is window position profiles.

I have this same problem. Since it's been 2 weeks and OP seems to have disappeared, I'll upload my troubleshooting info.

I'm on an AMD system with an NVIDIA GPU. I am currently using the newest beta release 9.7 Beta 8. One monitor is 2560x1440@120Hz and my second monitor is 1920x1200@59Hz. Neither monitor is using display scaling. My issue is specifically with the program "Ripcord". I have the position all saved and perfect but when I reload my window positions, it enlarges itself a couple of pixels to the right and under, eventually overlapping another window while also going under the taskbar. When I go check the position settings, it's not what I set it to. This happens without fail, every time. I assume rolling back versions will fix the issue as OP did but I just haven't.

Thanks

sorry i didnt get back w/ the data you requested. ive been so pinned to the ground w/ this quarantine thing and the kids >.<

glad you found the bug though. Will get her installed n tested as soon as i can.

thanks for all the work on what is probably the worlds most essential software

rip - no bueno on the fix. it altered the behavior somewhat. it got some windows to grow height wise instead of width wise. (most of them, explorer still got wider)

worst part, i re-installed the old working version and now my windows wont go back to how i had them set.

edit: was able to fix the refusal to revert windows position profiles to the previous behavior by re-importing a settings backup to the registry. phew

after i eat ill get ya that info, promise. settings backup i deleted, i had some going back months and months, and then for whatever reason several from today. I was literally shooting in the dark. Cleaned em out to start fresh.

now that its back in a working state I can get you a current export and a troubleshooting thingamajigg from 9.6.1 and then ill update to the new guy and give that a try again. I didnt restart between installs so maybe that was it, will give that a go real quick too.

right after dinner

ok, belly full - kids down.

current settings/reg export is inside the debuginfo zip.

once my vm's quit being turtles I'll upgrade and restart and ship that stuff over to you from the newest version.

while i got ya here.
How do i turn this

Allow Emails about New Versions and Promos: No
into
Allow Emails about New Versions and Promos: Yes

its late so im probably overlooking it but i swear i went through account settings 3 times over and didnt see it.

yep, im the worst. tired and flustered over one of my vm's giving me trouble. I looked right at that check box several times.

speaking of, youre working late

got it sorted. thanks Keith. gonna be restarting and upgrading the software again, will get back to ya with the info you requested from the new version afterwards.

darn. I was hopeful, after the restart it looks like you pushed out another beta. Tried it.

unfortunately it seems to have made all my windows a few pixels larger thus making them closer together. Except discord. Didnt touch discord so now thats smaller than the explorer window that used to match it in size.

Here are the files before i roll back

fwiw after upgrading to the newest beta and it still being weird with positioning. I merged the initial good reg backup. It didnt change anything as far as that goes.

at that point I installed the old version and tried to position. Still busted.

I then re merged the initial backup again and POOF, back to normal.

I'm no developer but id normally think that the new betas were writing something to the registry that didnt get removed upon rollback and that something was the culprit.

However iirc, for awhile until the most recent betas, it only took a rollback to make it go back to normal.

I got super lucky i had the right backup reg hanging out let me tell ya. That things gold for the time being.

anyhow, off to bed. im about to die. So if none of this makes sense or whatnot

Well, the update seems to have worked for me. Good luck with fixing OP's issue, though. This is good software so it improving is always a good thing!

Morning keith.

its right at the left edge of the accessory display more or less. I leave a little bit of a border around everything partially due to aesthetics and partially in case i need to get at the desktop/background context menu.

I opened it up and took a ss to give you an idea how it looks on 9.6.1 and below.

little more than 3px i think though. (im on 4k)

you bet, god forbid - but if you need me to upgrade and blow it all up and take a screenshot just lmk

okie doke, just let me know if you need anything. I've been chomping at the bit to be able to upgrade due to that WPP filter

not as convenient as being able to sort the colums alphanumerically (actually would be great to have in tandem with) but its way better than what I have to do at current when a window name changes or some such.

well im glad you found it. Perhaps theres is possible to get in a way for it to detect scaling between a few prominent levels? I scale at 150% as thats what windows recommends for 4k displays, and ive never seen anyone on a non TV sized 4k display using anything but. It mirrors the size of 1440p to the pixel.

I can understand no support for crazy custom scaling resolutions, or to support every one, but supporting 150 seems like a pretty good idea.

More importantly, how has it worked up until now? What did they adjust by in all versions prior and why the change? You guys are the pilots of the ship, im just curious.

As its top of the morning, and coffee is just permeating my veins, i say this trepidatiously but if its determined things are the way they are now and are going to stay that way - i dont want to be forced into running another tool to get it right all the time. Perhaps itd be best to set all the windows, and open everything one by one and re-save. (unless said tool would be a one time thing to convert the profiles values to be proper)

Though i truly think its a much better solution to support 150%. Its a REALLY common scaling resolution and 4k is only becoming more and more prominent. It would be really cool if scaling could change dynamically to say 100% to be able to still have the windows fit the same if you changed your scaling reso but i imagine that might be a big undertaking.

In other news, this has caused me to think of a feature request. Adding new profiles. Can we get a check for doubles somehow? Part of the reason i asked for the sorting was because i found myself browsing to see if i already had a similar profile to prevent a double from going in. (often due to the window text changing, or whatever other marker(s) said application requires, usually discovered when the hotkey stops working lol).

Not sure how hard it would be, but i imagine it could compare the variables and highlight the ones that pick up the same exe or same window text or something. Just a thought.

As always, appreciate the time and help - sorry for the book!

Appreciate it. You guys are incredible. I don't find it too often I ask for things from developers. When I do, it tends to not bear fruit, or bear fruit WAAAAY down the road. Of course this is understandable and I think nothing of it.

That being said, every time ive had an issue, a question, a request here... its always been met head on and rectified in record time. Not enough can be said for that nowadays so #bow.

As for the feature request, I dont know how many profiles other people have or are using, but i only have my most oft-used stuff and im over 100 now. That coupled with some pretty strong ocd regarding keeping things pruned n tidy, is why i drone on about sorting options/double removal etc. I find it pretty important lest things get any more out of hand. The list is only gonna grow with time after all

you betcha. here ya go

doh! I had super high hopes. At first it seemed promising. Windows like chromium for example, that used to always seem offset by 1 pixel. I would try to align it and it would always shift left one, or right one depending on how i saved the profile. It seemed to finally adjust itself properly.

I began opening other windows though and thats where the trouble started.

Slack wasnt lined up and I had issues with slack in the past due to the process filename setting (which i disabled) as version updates caused it to stop working and it got annoying.

I double checked, and thought perhaps it needs it enabled now for some reason. I enabled it and saved it. I opened the profile again after noticing the hotkey was still not sizing it right, and the process filename checkbox i had just applied was unchecked again. This seems to be an additional/unrelated bug as I discovered if i moved the entire slack window over and hit my profile hotkey, it did move back it just didnt size properly.

I'm going to attach some screenshots to illustrate the behavior. The incorrect sizing seems to be largely limited to windows with non standard frames (except discord, discord is still right #boggle). So far everything ive tested that has normal x86 type borders works. no more craziness with chromium/explorer/vlc etc. Things like steam, snagit editor, slack, razer synapse 3 - all no good.

let me know if you need additional info. gonna roll this guy back for now progress ftw though!

Also worth inquiring, did you guys alter something with the snapping? its on steroids now. Trying to move windows tethers them pretty strongly and they are fighting me to go back into place and snap. Seems to be related to snapping on all sides which im all for (as well as snapping on resizing! #reminder)

If it was strengthened, perhaps a setting to A) choose which sides snap and B) choose the tether strength as it is in 9.6.1 its weak enough that you can almost "miss" it, but in the new beta its so strong its janky looking if you try to move something it judders all over if other windows are next to it.

If it cant be made user adjustable, definitely lean towards the former imo.

either way, thank you for working so closely with your userbase. in all honesty, its the exception nowadays and invaluable on many levels.

ok, let me make sure im clear. I rolled back and restored my settings. All windows are where they should be again.

Youre saying to open up as much as i can that is in my profile before updating? at which point it'll adjust everything thats open theoretically?

as for snapping, i have it at the default (i think?) of 10. Ill try reducing it and see how it behaves and report back on that as well.

well, rolling back again. this certainly got me closer. after opening ~65 applications and having my 65% of my cpu at use at idle and 18gb of memory, it managed to update everything except explorer. I think it may have missed explorer due to having several tabs open (i use groupy).

either way, NBD i'd just update it manually. But the bug i mentioned earlier reared its head. I tried to update the explorer.exe profile to the proper size and it wouldnt take. I'd drag the crosshair to the window, it would enter the sizes, i would close/apply and try my hotkey and it would be the non updated size again.

Id open it back up, and the settings never applied or saved to the profile.

I'll venture that once thats fixed ill be able to repeat this process one last time and be good to go going forward

oh boy. let me know when its up and ill prepare for the shiteshow again

ftr i did lower the pixel range for snapping and it made it less aggressive, but seemed by almost too much at that point.

is that what changed with it? basically the range or pixel scaling/detection effected it so 10 with the new version is no longer the same as 10 with the old version?

yea i can agree with that (the portion on overshooting). As a workaround im considering enabling the modifier for it for now.

Perhaps if theres a way to only have snapping go into effect if the window is moving under a certain velocity threshold. Unsure if that would help but in my case when i try to mvoe my explorer window which has a window on 3 sides of it, it becomes like tethered pingpong, looks awful trying to initiate its movement lol.

fortunately its you guys who get to make the calls on how best to implement things. also fortunate that the overwhelming majority of the time it seems you get it spot on

care to see my excited face? heeeere goes lol

Ooooof. sorry it took so long. had to eat w/ the fam.

Whelp, went back to opening a gazillion windows. opened DF and went to the windows profiles section, double clicked - and this time i didnt get the notification or creation of the new profile/resizing

I went and hit my hotkey just in case you guys made it seamless/silent at this point, and poof - windows all over hells half acre again

rolled back, reset, re updated and did it a 2nd time. That did it. I think we're there. Some minor adjustments to be made but otherwise The saga may be coming to a close. Minus this hardcore-snapping ill have to figure the best way around.

If i take a window and snap it to the side of another window and hit my WPP hotkey, it moves to where its "supposed" to be, then auto snaps back to the side of the other window it was previously snapped to lol. and nevermind trying to move a window thats on top of another window I think its gonna have to be hotkey or bust. its aggressive enough that hotkey to snap should be the default now imo lol

while im here, and before i forget again, is this functional only for the transition between versions, or does this now auto adjust profiles depending on your scaling setting? Just curious for the future. I'm gunning for larger monitors one day so i can do away with the high dpi scaling

another thing i just noticed with the snapping now. once you snap into place, you cant move the window away period by using the titlebar. you can grab edges and resize but if you snap youre stuck lol.

you can break it if you maximize then restore but yea..

seems to be tied to "use sticky snapping"

if thats unchecked, it behaves as I indicated. If it is checked, it doesnt get stuck.

one final bit of harassment. snapping to monitor edge on a border between two displays results in quite a bit of overhang. Attached an image. unusable like that obviously.

apparently snagit stitches the two displays together when you capture across them. the beginning of the black is the beginning of the visible portion on my 2nd display (use black wallpaper)

sorry, got this as i was hitting the hay last night and then forgot about it.

so i was just about to show you a screenshot of 4 very different applications stacked that were all doing it when i realized what the heck was going on.

its the steroid-snapping! They literally shoot past the edge and try to grip onto the edge of applications on the other monitor lol.

so ultimately theres no independent issue, it just goes back to the snapping changes that were made and any potential refinements that may need to be made.

seems settings still arent saving as far as windows position profiles go.

I have a particular window that wont move with displayfusion so im trying to eliminate things as being the potential culprit.

window class = unchecked. close out, come back in. checked again. Same with process filename. i moved on to a simple adjustment to the window location size and low and behold, thats not saving either.

yea, not even allowing me to add new WPP. eeep

awesome, as usual appreciate the keeping us posted

you betcha. on it

way better now. looks like i can even turn off my hotkey again lol