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Current state of DisplayFusion and Windows 11?

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Castlenock
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Hey all,
I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows 11 - what is the current situation with DisplayFusion and Windows 11? Is it as functional as it is with Windows 10, not nearly there, etc.
Could someone possibly sticky as they did with Windows 10 the state of affairs with Windows 11? Searching the discussions brings up heaven and earth and all between.
Thanks
Oct 30, 2021  • #1
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Kurt Boyer
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I'm running Windows 11 with DisplayFusion 10.0 Beta 6 and it seems to perform just fine and it looks great.
My only current issue is that on my second monitor, I'd like the Start button to be in the Middle of the bottom of the screen instead of left or right (so it accurately mirrors monitor 1). The current options are "Automatic", "Left", "Right", and "Disabled". I'd like a Middle option please. 8)
Oct 31, 2021  • #2
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Castlenock
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Thanks a million! Upgrading to 11 is almost completely dependent on how well DF works, so this is a great sign, I appreciate it.
Oct 31, 2021  • #3
Owen Muhlethaler (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Hello,

As Kurt mentioned, Our latest beta contains all of our updates for Windows 11. We are still working through our full list of issues, but the core features should work. We will be posting a list of known issues for Windows 11 as well.

Thanks!
Nov 3, 2021  • #4
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dupy6
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I purchased a new PC with Windows 11 and the lastest version of DisplayFusion 9.9 will install, but when I click the .exe nothing happens. Even when I click launch app immediately after installing nothing happens. I am so bummed, hopefully there is a fix soon. UPDATE: I installed the 10.0 Beta and now it is working :)
Feb 7, 2022 (modified Feb 7, 2022)  • #5
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Joe Brandibas
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I just came to the forums to check, but my main issue with Windows 11 is the start bar on the second monitor overwrites anything I maximize on that monitor. So the window expands to the full screen size, ignoring the taskbar. So the bottom of the window is behind the taskbar. This may already be addressed, I was coming here to check. I have had to revert back to stock taskbar as I run a lot of windows maximized, now I am annoyed that it is the same taskbar on all monitors.
Feb 7, 2022  • #6
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JLJTGR
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I just came to the forums to check, but my main issue with Windows 11 is the start bar on the second monitor overwrites anything I maximize on that monitor. So the window expands to the full screen size, ignoring the taskbar. So the bottom of the window is behind the taskbar. This may already be addressed, I was coming here to check. I have had to revert back to stock taskbar as I run a lot of windows maximized, now I am annoyed that it is the same taskbar on all monitors.
I'm somewhat curious if your issue is the same as mine here.

For me, restarting the computer will fix it initially... but you don't mention it ever working at all.
Feb 8, 2022  • #7
Owen Muhlethaler (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Indeed, we've had a few customers mention this since updating to Windows 11, but we haven't been able to reproduce anything on our end :(

@JoeBrandibas Could you send me a copy of your troubleshooting info? Here are the steps:
  • Open the Settings > Troubleshooting tab
  • Click the "Export Info to File" button
  • Reply with the file attached

Thanks!
Feb 8, 2022  • #8
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Kyle Verry99043
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I just came to the forums to check, but my main issue with Windows 11 is the start bar on the second monitor overwrites anything I maximize on that monitor. So the window expands to the full screen size, ignoring the taskbar. So the bottom of the window is behind the taskbar. This may already be addressed, I was coming here to check. I have had to revert back to stock taskbar as I run a lot of windows maximized, now I am annoyed that it is the same taskbar on all monitors.


I literally have the opposite problem. Any window maximized completely COVERS the taskbar on the second/third monitors. Though, my taskbars are on the right side. If I move them to the bottom, then your description occurs. I am now typing this response after I just installed Windows 10 because it is so massively frustrating.

I just want Windows to have the ONE single feature MacOS is better at; multiple monitors with separate virtual desktop switching. I am so confused why this is not handled. Even ChromeOS handles it like that. Super frustrating.
Feb 20, 2022  • #9
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Jonathan Parton
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I have the same problem as JLJTGR with it intermittently allowing windows to go underneath the second task bar.

@Owen Muhlethaler (BFS) - Was going to send you details but I can't find out how to message you on this forum 🙈
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Feb 24, 2022  • #10
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Jonathan Parton
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Nevermind ... I've now seen the protected attachments option and that you want it here!
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Feb 24, 2022  • #11
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Jonathan Parton: Are the tray icons always blurry like in your screenshot?
Feb 24, 2022  • #12
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Jonathan Parton
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Hi Keith! No sorry that is just some post processing ... Everything is clear apart from being able to see that the window is hiding behind the task bar.
Feb 24, 2022  • #13
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Jonathan Parton: Ok thanks! I figured but just wanted to confirm. Would you be able to try updating to the latest 10.0 Beta and let me know if you still have that taskbar issue?

  • On the Settings > Options tab, enable the "Check for new Beta (newer, unstable) versions" option
  • Click the Apply button
  • Click the "Check for Updates" button
Feb 25, 2022  • #14
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Jonathan Parton
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Thanks Keith - I've installed, and I'll keep an eye on it as it's an intermittent issue. If it happens again, I'll grab out the log file again and post here! 👍
Feb 26, 2022  • #15
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Gabe I
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From what I've noticed, this seems to happen with some sort of crash/restart of explorer.exe. In Event Viewer, it shows up as an issue with ucrtbase.dll but I haven't been able to get to the bottom of it further than that.
I am also on the latest available beta.

Faulting application name: explorer.exe, version: 10.0.22000.527, time stamp: 0x59dc9944
Faulting module name: ucrtbase.dll, version: 10.0.22000.1, time stamp: 0x00e78ce9
Exception code: 0xc0000409
Fault offset: 0x000000000007dd7e
Faulting process id: 0x8af0
Faulting application start time: 0x01d82b52eef2a8b2
Faulting application path: C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe
Faulting module path: C:\WINDOWS\System32\ucrtbase.dll
Report Id: 1a423806-d3d0-4fcf-bdd1-f038a3bb296c
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:
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Feb 26, 2022 (modified Feb 27, 2022)  • #16
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
I have some good news! I was finally able to reproduce the taskbar issue here (windows behind taskbars), and we should have it all fixed up for the next beta.
Mar 3, 2022  • #17
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Kyle Verry99043
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I have some good news! I was finally able to reproduce the taskbar issue here (windows behind taskbars), and we should have it all fixed up for the next beta.


Any updates? I updated back to Windows 11 in anticipation of this, and ugh, it is SOOOOO frustrating! DisplayFusion Pro 10.0 (Beta 13)

The taskbars just appear, disappear, appear, disappear.
Mar 12, 2022  • #18
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Gabe I
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I'm still not completely sure what causes this. In the meantime, I have reinstalled windows and running minimally - it was ok on the most recent beta for 2 days, but I just reverted to the last stable version. I'll keep monitoring to see if explorer crashes again with the ucrtbase.dll error.
Mar 13, 2022  • #19
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Kyle: Our initial thought was that DF wasn't reloading the taskbar properly when the work area was wrong, but after we made it force a reload, it appears that on some systems, there's an issue that either Windows is not setting the work area when we create the taskbar, or that there's some other app that is resetting it shortly after the taskbar is created.

Trying to reproduce this issue here has proven difficult though. If you exit other apps on your system, including ones running in the system tray, does that make any difference? I'm also wondering if you connect to the machine through remote desktop at all, just wondering if there might be a weird interaction there.

Thanks!
Mar 15, 2022  • #20
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Barna Péter28785
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I'm not op, but have/had* the same problem.
Setup: latest win11, latest DF beta version (13),
one monitor on my notebook [1],
two external monitors connected. [2],[3]
[2] is my main screen with the windows taskbar.
[1] and [3] has the DF taskbars.
No remote desktop, nothing extraordinary or niche. A few months old, freshly installed Windows with the usual consumer apps.
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Problem: While on [1] and [3] full screen apps don't correctly align to the taskbar.
Although with some minor visual sacrifice, a 40px padding can be be set in monitor configurations, but that doesn't solve the issue of [1]'s DF taskbar flickering - turning on and off repeatedly.
Interestingly, after I restarted, that extra padding was calculated from the taskbar, not the screen. (meaning that when I reset it to 0 thinking it's fixed, once again the full screen apps were hidden behind the taskbar and setting the same 40px padding back again was correctly calculated again.)
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Tried:
restarting application, setting some corresponding options in other threads, reinstallig the application, trying non-steam version, etc.
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What helped (at least for now) was changing the primary screen to another and back - so the pop-up warned me that Windows' multimonitor taskbars are enabled, so I turned them off and that solved the issue.
Not sure how it was enabled, and how comes this bug only emerged in the last few days.
Strangest thing is that I haven't been able to reproduce the issue yet - when turning the windows taskbars back on (taskbar settings -> taskbar behaviors -> show my taskbar on all displays), it works just fine. Of course it still warns me each time this option is on when I'm switching main screen, but neither the flickering, nor the 'full screen apps hidden behind df taskbar' bug has come back so far whether this option is on or off.
Sorry if that's not much of a help, I'm just throwing in my experiences.
Mar 17, 2022 (modified Mar 17, 2022)  • #21
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Barna: Thanks for the additional data points! I can somewhat reproduce the issue when I have the Windows multi-monitor taskbars enabled here. Does anyone else here have them enabled as well?
Mar 17, 2022  • #22
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Kyle Verry99043
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@Barna: Thanks for the additional data points! I can somewhat reproduce the issue when I have the Windows multi-monitor taskbars enabled here. Does anyone else here have them enabled as well?


I do, yes, hence the whole problem I think? Either way, here are my settings. I do run TeamViewer in the background.
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Apr 21, 2022  • #23
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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I do, yes, hence the whole problem I think? Either way, here are my settings.


Sorry for the confusion, to clarify, I was asking if the built-in Windows multi-monitor taskbars are enabled, not the DF taskbars.
Apr 21, 2022  • #24
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Nicolas Hartwell
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I have a new windows 11 machine and am also experiencing the 'windows behind taskbar' issue.

This issue applies to all applications on my computer.

I have tried many different tricks to get the windows to not get stuck behind the taskbars including...
restarting the service
disable then enable the DF taskbar
manually setting the taskbars position to 'bottom'
changing taskbar size manually and seeing if that does anything
reinstalling DF (ive tried 9.9 and the latest beta)
rebooting computer
changing primary monitor

The only thing I have made work is...
have windows setting for 'show my taskbar on all windows' turned off
open DisplayFusion
turn on windows setting for 'show my taskbar on all windows'
wait a few seconds for applications to adjust to fit with the windows taskbars
then disable windows setting 'show my taskbar on all windows'
this is something i need to do each time i restart my computer or display fusion
Apr 22, 2022 (modified Apr 22, 2022)  • #25
Owen Muhlethaler (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Hello,

This issue should be fixed up in the latest beta, available here: https://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta. With this beta, DisplayFusion should prompt you to restart explorer when the issue happens. Please let me know if you still run into any trouble after updating.

Thanks!
May 16, 2022  • #26
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Sam Williams1
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I have the Steam Pro version, and still get the taskbar glitch. Typically happens when transitioning from dual-monitor to single-monitor and back.
Oct 7, 2022  • #27
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Sam Williams1: You can upgrade to the beta with Steam, like this:

  • On the DisplayFusion Settings > Options tab, enable the "Check for new Beta (newer, unstable) versions" option
  • Click the Apply button
  • Click the "Check for Updates" button
Oct 7, 2022  • #28
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Sam Williams1
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@Sam Williams1: You can upgrade to the beta with Steam, like this:
  • On the DisplayFusion Settings > Options tab, enable the "Check for new Beta (newer, unstable) versions" option
  • Click the Apply button
  • Click the "Check for Updates" button


Thanks, but unfortunately I'm still getting the glitch, even on Steam ver 10.0 Beta 17.

Again, it happens semi-consistently when my monitor setup goes from dual to single, and back to dual again.
Oct 10, 2022 (modified Oct 10, 2022)  • #29
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JJack33
19 discussion posts
Latest beta does not fix this longstanding issue unfortunately...
Oct 11, 2022  • #30
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Are you guys also running Start11 on your systems by any chance?
Oct 11, 2022  • #31
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JLJTGR
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I've been going between ExplorerPatcher and Start11 lately but I cannot say that one or the other is better/worse for this kind of issue. As long as I wake my monitors in a specific order, I can avoid the issue. -- I don't do a lot of hot swapping of monitors, though. Just waking them from sleep.
Oct 11, 2022  • #32
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JJack33
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No I don't use Start11, don't even know what that is. I do switch resolutions now and then and have an HDMI display attached that I sometimes use. So I'm quite often switching between resolutions and displays. I'm pretty sure the switching doesn't cause the issue though and that it also happens at other times.. It's been an issue for a long time. Maybe a year even.
Oct 12, 2022  • #33
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Sam Williams1
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Are you guys also running Start11 on your systems by any chance?


I am not, although I do run Classic Shell.
Oct 12, 2022  • #34
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
When it happens, if you kill explorer.exe and restart it, does that fix it temporarily?
Oct 13, 2022  • #35
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JJack33
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When it happens, if you kill explorer.exe and restart it, does that fix it temporarily?


Yes
Oct 14, 2022  • #36
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Sam Williams1
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When it happens, if you kill explorer.exe and restart it, does that fix it temporarily?


No
Oct 14, 2022  • #37
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Sam: Does a logout/login fix it?
Oct 14, 2022  • #38
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JJack33
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@Sam: Does a logout/login fix it?

I'll test that when it happens again.

edit: Oh my bad, you were asking Sam.
Oct 15, 2022 (modified Oct 15, 2022)  • #39
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Sam Williams1
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@Sam: Does a logout/login fix it?


It appears to, yes.
Oct 16, 2022  • #40
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JJack33
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@Sam: Does a logout/login fix it?


For what it's worth, relog fixes it here as well.
Oct 16, 2022  • #41
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Ok, I know Sam is not running Start11 but I'd imagine the issue has the same root cause for everyone. I can reproduce this using Start11 so hopefully when we fix it up for that, it will fix it for everything else as well.
Oct 18, 2022  • #42
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