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Get rid of the 2 pixel wide line when Display fusion taskbar autohides

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soyo
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Hi.

Is there some setting within Display Fusion that get rids of the 2 pixel wide line once the Taskbar outohides? Below is the screenshot, the line is on the left side, as this is where my taskbar is placed:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23242740/ScreenShots/2012-10-20%20Image_0004.png

If not, then could this feature be implemented in future version of Display Fusion?

cheers
Lucas
Oct 20, 2012 (modified Oct 20, 2012)  • #1
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If it helps the staff error search this, it isnt happening on my system - Win 7 64bit Ultimate with windowblinds running. I tried three different blinds but didnt try the Win 7 normal skin.
Oct 20, 2012  • #2
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If it helps the staff error search this, it isnt happening on my system - Win 7 64bit Ultimate with windowblinds running. I tried three different blinds but didnt try the Win 7 normal skin.

Indeed I noticed it only recently which is strange so I'm looking for a reason to it.

I use Win7 64 bit Ultimate as well. It looks like the same behaviour the native Windows taskbar has when set to autohide.

cheers
Lucas
Oct 20, 2012  • #3
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soyo
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Ok, just to follow up. I got another problem which is that sometimes the taskbar does not show (autohide set to true), when there are couple maximized windows on that monitor. I don't know exactly what triggers this problem because it just shows up out of nowhere.

Also, I'm on the newest version. Before I was running on 3.4 which didn't have this problem.
Oct 21, 2012  • #4
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We made it show the 2 pixel line to match the behaviour of the Windows taskbar. It's not possible to make it completely invisible, but on the DisplayFusion Settings > Taskbar tab, you can set the Taskbar Opacity to 1.

As for the taskbar not coming out of auto-hide, we've had a few other customers report the same thing, but we've never been able to find a consistent trigger that's causing it to happen. Quick question: when it won't come out of auto-hide, are you able to see the 2px line, or is it missing?
Oct 24, 2012  • #5
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soyo
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Hi Keith

Yup, it's still there. What I have to do to make it show again is to minimize the current maximize(d) window(s) and from that moment (till the problem occurs again) the taskbar behaves fine.

cheers
Lucas
Oct 24, 2012  • #6
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Ok, thanks! We haven't been able to reproduce the issue here yet, but I'll keep testing it and hopefully I'll make a breakthrough and we can get this issue fixed up for good
Oct 25, 2012  • #7
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Quick question, when it happens again, can you try pressing the Windows key to see if it will open the Start menu and force the taskbar out of auto-hide?
Oct 25, 2012  • #8
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soyo
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Quick question, when it happens again, can you try pressing the Windows key to see if it will open the Start menu and force the taskbar out of auto-hide?

Hi Keith.

Sure I can check that, no problem, but believe it or not, my second monitor just broke so you'll have to wait till I buy a replacement. Should be somewhere next week. I will let you know once I try it.

cheers
Lucas
Oct 25, 2012  • #9
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No worries, it's not a huge rush. Sorry to hear about your monitor!
Oct 25, 2012  • #10
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DisplayFusion 5.1 Beta 3 (http://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta/) is now available, and the issue where the taskbar doesn't come out of auto-hide should finally be all fixed up :)

Thanks!
Apr 14, 2013  • #11
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soyo
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Thanks Keith

I just uprgaded to Pro, downloaded the new version and indeed I cannot replicate the second problem.

But I still need to come back to my first issue ;), the 2 pixel wide line on the edge of the monitor. Can you guys give an option to get rid of it altogether? I know it is suppose to be there, to let a person know that "something is there", but I'm a smart guy, I know what I installed, and I know a taskbar will show there if I move my mouse, so I would liked much better if there was nothing there at all as an indicator "something indeed is there".

Any way you guys could implement it in the next version?

cheers
Lucas
Nov 29, 2013  • #12
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@soyo: Glad to hear the other issue is fixed. I have to apologize, as for some reason the request about removing the 2px line for the taskbar didn't get added to our list. I've added it now, for real this time :)

I'm not sure if it's something we could implement easily, but we'll let you know if/when we're able to.

Thanks!
Dec 3, 2013  • #13
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soyo
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Thanks Keith.

I have bad news however... I said the other isues is fixed too quickly. Again, I started to notice, the autohidden taskbar gets stack, when there is something maximized on that monitor. When I move the mouse to the edge, all I see is the "swidth adjustment" mouse pointer icon, but the taskbar does not de-hide. I have to un-maximize the application, and then the taskbar is again working as it should, even if I maximize back the application.

I can confirm it is happening on the newest display fusion (5.1.1).

I'll try to make a screenshot the next time it will happen.
Dec 3, 2013 (modified Dec 3, 2013)  • #14
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A screenshot would be awesome, thanks!
Dec 3, 2013  • #15
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soyo
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Hey Keith. Got those screenshots for you. Well not as much screenshots as simple comera shots, since I cannot capture obviously mouse cursor when doing screenshots. I hope that's ok.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23242740/DisplayFusion_problem_1.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23242740/DisplayFusion_problem_2.png

Both pictures show the same problem although on the first one the cursor does not change it's icon at all. When I move the cursor as much to the left as possible, nothing happens as you can see. Also, you can see that the displayf fusion taskbar is there, since you can see that 1 pixel line there. While we're at it, I'd like to repeat myself, and ask if you guys can get rid of that 1 pixel line...

Second photo shows the similar effect, but in this case, the mouse pointer changes to resize icon.

First capture was done with Foobar application at the background, second with google chrome. Both maximized. I remember it happening on all sort of maximized applications so it's deffinetly not a particular application related, but more of a global problem.

Will these information suffice?
Dec 6, 2013  • #16
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Yep! That's definitely helpful info. We'll need to work at it some more here to try and reproduce it, so that we can debug it. I'll keep you posted when we have more news.

Thanks!
Dec 8, 2013  • #17
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Good news! I've found a way to reproduce the issue of the taskbar not coming out of auto-hide. We'll be working on this for 5.1.2, and we'll let you know as soon as we've gotten it fixed up
Dec 9, 2013  • #18
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Good news! I've found a way to reproduce the issue of the taskbar not coming out of auto-hide. We'll be working on this for 5.1.2, and we'll let you know as soon as we've gotten it fixed up
Dec 9, 2013  • #19
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soyo
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That's a great news Keith thanks a lot. I have to say, that's a pretty irritating bug.

While you guys at it, any chance you could take a look at getting rid of that 1 pixel line altogether, like I asked in this thread already? Well, not so much as to remove it deffinetly, just leave an option somewhere in the settings, to either leave that 1px line, or remove it completely.

It looks very bad to be honest, and I'm not a stupid guy, I know there is a autohidden taskbar when I move my mouse there, so I don't need a reminder of it, with that ugly 1px line...

cheers
Lucas
Dec 10, 2013  • #20
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I did put your request to hide the 2px line to our list for further investigation. However, at the moment, it's not possible to trigger the taskbar to come out of auto-hide without that line being there, as it's that window that detects the mouse entering it.

The only other way to eliminate the 2px line is to trigger it via mouse hooks, but the mouse hooks can cause issues with other programs that also use mouse hooks, so it's not something we'd likely implement any time soon.

At any rate, I'll let you know if anything changes on that front :)

Thanks!
Dec 10, 2013  • #21
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soyo
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Hi Keith, and thanks for the info.

Well, since I'm also a software developer, how about this idea:

Make a taskbar length +2 pixels wider, than it is now (or even better just 1px - why it has to be 2px?), and just make that 1px line at the right of the "normal taskbar" with a completely transparent color. That way you will keep the "window" getting an event when mouse is over it, but at the same time, I will get my request of not having this hidous ;) line there.

Would that do it?
Dec 10, 2013  • #22
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To be honest, I'm not sure, but I'll pass that along to our devs :)

Thanks!
Dec 10, 2013  • #23
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soyo
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Cool. Pass it along, and post here their feedback.
Dec 10, 2013  • #24
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To clarify, are you looking to have the maximized window on the screen use the full screen (including those 2px)? Or do you just want to get rid of the line, leaving a 2px transparent gap (you would see 2px of the wallpaper instead)?
Dec 10, 2013  • #25
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soyo
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I'm looking to make the 2px line dissapear, or at least make it "transparent to the user", so option A) from your list.

Currently, from my understanding the situation is this: I have a maximized window, and OVER IT on the left, there is 2px of the taskbar shown. So the taskbar is over the maximized window (by maximized, I'm not speaking about something like youtube maximization, or movie, because at that time the taskbar is behind; instead I'm talking about a maximized WINDOW, so like a windows explorer, notepad, etc).

What I'm proposing, due to your explanation as to what triggers for you the hidden taskbar to slide, is to leave it be, as it is, but make those 2 px transparent. So the taskbar will still be there, but it will be "invisible" effectively solving this iritating view. On your end, you would have to just make sure, that it looks ok, as you probably cannot make the current taskbar's 2 px from the right transparent, as the right side of the taskbar would look like some part of it was "cut". So to counter it, you could EXTEND the taskbar by 1/2px, and make those 1/2 extra px transparent.
Dec 10, 2013  • #26
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Ok, I see what you're proposing, but the issue is that the current 2px isn't on top of the maximized window, it's beside it. The 2px is reserved, and the work area of that monitor is shrunk by 2px so that the maximized window isn't underneath the 2px. So simply making it transparent wouldn't really change anything, as you would just end up seeing 2px of the wallpaper, instead of the 2px from the taskbar.

The only way to do what you're requesting (have the maximized window use the full monitor, but still have an auto-hide taskbar) is to use mouse hooks, but that's not really feasible for us due to this issue: http://www.displayfusion.com/FAQ#mousehookcompatibility
Dec 10, 2013  • #27
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soyo
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"Ok, I see what you're proposing, but the issue is that the current 2px isn't on top of the maximized window, it's beside it."

It's not possible to make it the most top window? The taskbar I mean?
Dec 10, 2013  • #28
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It is, and actually should be. So, basically, for your request, we'd need to make the taskbar not an AppBar so that it doesn't reserve space and adjust the work area, and then also make the trigger window (which currently is the top 2px of the taskbar) a new window that's not part of the taskbar, and make that transparent.

I'm really not confident that those changes would be possible or stable, but I'll forward this on to our devs and see if they can respond here with some feedback on that.
Dec 10, 2013 (modified Dec 10, 2013)  • #29
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soyo
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Sorry for the delay Keith.

"It is, and actually should be. So, basically, for your request, we'd need to make the taskbar not an AppBar so that it doesn't reserve space and adjust the work area, and then also make the trigger window (which currently is the top 2px of the taskbar) a new window that's not part of the taskbar, and make that transparent."

I see that your implementation is a bit more complex. You mean, that right now, the 2px line that is visible, is not actually a part of the real taskbar, but some other window, that just triggers the sliding of the taskbar?

BTW, is there something significant about this number of "2"? Can't it be just 1px?
Dec 10, 2013  • #30
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No worries, I had to jam as well :)

We don't currently use a separate window, and I was thinking that would be needed in order to make it transparent, but after I left I realized that was probably incorrect too.

At any rate, I'm going to wait and let our devs give some feedback on this. I know the basics of how the stuff works, but not the nitty gritty technical details :)
Dec 11, 2013  • #31
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Ok, quick update on this. Jon has some ideas on how we could do this, and we'll hopefully be working on it for 5.1.2
Dec 12, 2013  • #32
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soyo
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Hurray!

Collaboration of developers is always nice ;)

Thanks a lot for the good news, I keep fingers crossed the solution will be bug-free, and looking forward to seeing it in action in the next update. Say hi to your developers from me, and I wish them luck.

cheers
Lucas
Dec 12, 2013  • #33
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No worries! Glad we could have a good discussion on what you were looking for and how we might implement it :)

We'll keep you posted when we have more news!
Dec 12, 2013  • #34
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soyo
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Hi Keith

Any news about the pottential date of the coming new release? I won't lie, that this inability to unhide the hidden taskbar is killing me.

cheers
Lucas
Jan 15, 2014  • #35
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Not yet, but we'll let you know as soon as we have a beta with that issue fixed
Jan 15, 2014  • #36
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soyo
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Thanks a lot
Jan 15, 2014  • #37
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Sarris
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This program purports to hide the 2 px line on the Windows 7 taskbar.

Here is the forum location it's posted on: http://www.sevenforums.com/free-developer-programs-projects/321184-shybar-automatic-windows-7-taskbar-hider.html

The line doesn't bother me personally, and I have not tried this program out, but I remembered that some folks questioned it on this forum, so I've posted the link.

If you try this out, post and let us know if it works.

Regards;

Sarris
Feb 17, 2014 (modified Feb 17, 2014)  • #38
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soyo
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Hi Sarris

Thanks for suggestion but to be honest i will wait for the solution the display fission team worked on and will see how it went.

Lucas
Feb 17, 2014  • #39
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@ Soyo;

I don't have a 2px line on either of the two DF (6.0.0 Beta 2) taskbars on my 3 monitor setup, only on the stock Windows 7 taskbar.

This little program supposedly removes only the 2px line on the stock Windows 7 Taskbar.

FYI

EDIT:

I've installed and am running this program now, and it DOES hide the 2px Windows 7 Taskbar line without issue.
Feb 17, 2014 (modified Feb 17, 2014)  • #40
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soyo
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Hi Keith, any update on when we can expect the application update?

cheers
Lucas
Mar 7, 2014  • #41
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We're targeting this issue (the taskbar not coming out of auto-hide) for Beta 3. I don't have an exact ETA, but should hopefully be within a few weeks.
Mar 11, 2014  • #42
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We've just released a new DisplayFusion beta version and the auto-hide getting stuck behind windows issue should hopefully be all fixed up. Please let us know if you run into any trouble after updating.

Thanks!
Apr 25, 2014  • #43
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soyo
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Thanks for the update Keith. So far so good.

Did you guys also add an option to elminiate that 1px line that is visible when the taskbar is "hidden"?

cheers
Lucas
Apr 26, 2014  • #44
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soyo
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Keith?

As for the autohide, so far working with it for past couple days, and in every instance the taskbar seems to unhide correctly. Goog job.
Apr 28, 2014  • #45
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Glad to hear it! We haven't had a chance to work on hiding the auto-hide taskbar line, but with the changes we made for fixing the original issue, we should hopefully be able to do it. We'll post an update when we're able to implement it.

Thanks!
Apr 29, 2014  • #46
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soyo
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Awsome Keith. Thanks for heads up.
Apr 29, 2014  • #47
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soyo
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After extensive use, there was not a single case where the taskbar would not come back from hidden mode.

Good job. So now the only thing left is giving us an option to hide that 1px line of the hidden taskbar. I will be awaiting some news from you guys.
May 9, 2014  • #48
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Awesome, that's great news!
May 9, 2014  • #49
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Ok, we've finally had a chance to work on trying to hide the 2px line when the DisplayFusion taskbar is auto-hidden, but it's more or less impossible in Windows 7. We can make it transparent, but Windows still draws the weird Aero blur behind, so even though what we've drawn is transparent, you can still see a line from the Aero blur. In Windows 8, it seems to work fine.

The only work around we could implement is to hide the taskbar completely, and then it would only be shown if you pressed the Windows key on your keyboard. Would that work for you?
Jun 5, 2014  • #50
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Thanks for the info Keith.

Let's leave it at that. The key workaround would just bring inconvenience to the picture, so best to leave it as it is. Thanks for looking into it though.

The bad news is that, the key problem did not go away completely, and the line gets stuck behind some window. If I track some empirical observations I will report back.

Cheers
Lucas
Jun 5, 2014  • #51
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Sounds good, thanks Lucas!
Jun 5, 2014  • #52
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We made it show the 2 pixel line to match the behaviour of the Windows taskbar. It's not possible to make it completely invisible, but on the DisplayFusion Settings > Taskbar tab, you can set the Taskbar Opacity to 1.

As for the taskbar not coming out of auto-hide, we've had a few other customers report the same thing, but we've never been able to find a consistent trigger that's causing it to happen. Quick question: when it won't come out of auto-hide, are you able to see the 2px line, or is it missing?


This would be great to be able to set per taskbar, I have 1 monitor I use with media software, and on that monitor I set the taskbar to auto hide so that when those apps lose focus the task bar isn't infront of the app, but that little line is a nuisance, but setting the opacity globally means the other taskbars are effected as well. And unchecking the "Show taskbar in front of full screen applications..." option makes it unable to unhide the auto-hiding taskbar
Oct 4, 2015  • #53
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I know this is an ancient thread but I was wondering if any progress had been made here. Obviously it's not a currently implemented feature, but I was looking for this for a slightly different reason. I use a solid black wallpaper and have 3 displays which all support local dimming. When only using my center display with all other windows minimized, the backlights of my side displays turn off entirely. Or they would except for that 2px line at the bottom. Here's my suggestion. If it can't be disabled as of now, can we have an option to fully customize its color so that I can make the 2px line solid black (including the vertical line at the right end) so that my displays will turn off their backlights entirely when not in use?
Jan 26, 2019  • #54
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Setting the colour might be possible! We've added it to our list to investigate for the next version.

Thanks!
Jan 30, 2019  • #55
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jjjjjj
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Thanks! Ideally, not just the color of the taskbar, but also the color of highlighted icons (for active windows/open apps, as well as the color of the vertical line at the right edge (for the peek area) would also be adjustable. Or, maybe a way to only black them out while the taskbar is "hidden". My goal would be for the taskbar to be indistinguishable against a solid black background.
Jan 31, 2019  • #56
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jjjjjj
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I just stumbled across TranslucentTB in the microsoft store, as well as the advanced setting in DF to disable background rendering of taskbars, and between the two, this has accomplished mostly what I was trying to. Would love if the functionality of TranslucentTB could be integrated into DF's taskbars as TranslucentTB only works with the system taskbar. Looks like everything's on github if you want to take a look: https://github.com/TranslucentTB/TranslucentTB
Mar 14, 2019 (modified Mar 14, 2019)  • #57
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Thanks for sharing that app, we'll check it out!
Mar 14, 2019  • #58
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We've added an advanced setting (Taskbars > Top Line Colour) in the latest beta, available here: https://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta. You can set it to an HTML hex value (e.g. #ff0000 for red or #000000 for black).

Thanks!
7 days ago  • #59
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We've added an advanced setting (Taskbars > Top Line Colour) in the latest beta, available here: https://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta. You can set it to an HTML hex value (e.g. #ff0000 for red or #000000 for black).

Thanks!


Would I be correct in guessing this doesn't affect the color of the "selected window" shading on the icon at all? Is it possible to add a method to customize the color of this as well, since even with a completely hidden taskbar (I used translucentTB to make my taskbar 100% clear), it shows that little bar when the taskbar is hidden. https://imgur.com/a/KaPGniq
7 days ago  • #60
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That option will affect the whole taskbar, including the active buttons. Note that this can't change the Windows taskbar.
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