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Windows 10 windows snapping a few pixels off
MetaDrow
So window snapping is 4-10 pixels above from the bottom of the screen depending on the program or above the taskbar (images for examples). Also moving from an edge is very sticky, it doesn't unsnap right away; Is anybody else experiencing this?
On Displayfusion 7.2
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Aug 4, 2015 (modified Aug 4, 2015)  • #1
Sapiens
This is a Windows 10 thing, or at least not entirely not a DisplayFusion thing as far as I can tell. The new 1px window borders in W10 are actually bigger than that but the extra area is transparent. When you use screen edge snapping in Windows things will appear to be in the right place and flush up against the edge of the screen, but if you close and reopen the program it will be shifted away from the bottom, left and/or right sides of the screen to make room for the invisible window border. The top/title bar of a window doesn't seem to be affected.
Aug 4, 2015  • #2
Quischen's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
I've also noticed that windows that are maximized tend to stick out a quite a bit on another monitor. It's really, really bad as the attached screenshot shows with Microsoft Excel 2013 and Chrome. Excel is actually on top of Chrome on the left monitor and also does not fully maximize with the taskbar hidden (also an issue in Windows 7). Chrome on the right side sticks out several pixels so that you can see a line on the left monitor that isn't really apparent in this screenshot. For both applications, there is also a wide gap at the top between the titlebar and the monitor in the screenshot that doesn't show up on the monitor.
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Aug 4, 2015  • #3
Sapiens
If you're using DF to handle window positioning its coordinates are off for W10. Whatever DF detects for a window, it needs to have the X position increased by 8px, width decreased by 16px, and height decreased by 8px.
Aug 4, 2015  • #4
MetaDrow
Quote:
This is a Windows 10 thing, or at least not entirely not a DisplayFusion thing as far as I can tell. The new 1px window borders in W10 are actually bigger than that but the extra area is transparent. When you use screen edge snapping in Windows things will appear to be in the right place and flush up against the edge of the screen, but if you close and reopen the program it will be shifted away from the bottom, left and/or right sides of the screen to make room for the invisible window border. The top/title bar of a window doesn't seem to be affected.


I see what you mean, so its mostly a Windows 10 problem and I just have to wait for DisplayFusion to bring an update for the adjusted windows? So far WIndows 10 is not impressing me with its new "features"...
Aug 5, 2015 (modified Aug 5, 2015)  • #5
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Yep! All of these issues are currently on our list, and I'll be sure to post an update when we're able to get them fixed up :)

Thanks!
Aug 5, 2015  • #6
MetaDrow
Update: Taskbar icons flicker when wallpaper changes
Aug 19, 2015  • #7
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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I'm not running into that one here at all. Is it all of the taskbar buttons, or just some of them? And does it happen on every wallpaper change?
Aug 20, 2015  • #8
Moozkit's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
hello
more than 'a few...' on multimonitor with taskbar on left border, all fullscreen windows are shifted.
eyefinity correctly configured.
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Aug 22, 2015  • #9
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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@Moozkit: Can you attach a copy of your troubleshooting info?
  • Open the DisplayFusion Settings > Troubleshooting tab
  • Click the Copy to Clipboard button
  • Open Notepad, paste the text, and save the file
  • Reply with the text file attached
Aug 24, 2015  • #10
Moozkit's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
the log file
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Aug 24, 2015  • #11
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Thanks! We're completely re-vamping the monitor splitting code. I've confirmed your issue in Beta 2, and have also confirmed that Beta 3 will fix it
Aug 27, 2015  • #12
Moozkit's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
thank's
Aug 29, 2015  • #13
Lum's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Regarding the issue with window positioning, if you download WinAero Tweaker and choose the option "Enable Aero Lite Theme", it re-enables a hidden but not removed theme that is more Windows 8 like. This means you get thick borders again, but the tweaker also has the option to turn down the border padding.

This sorts out the positioning for every app, with and without DisplayFusion installed, and also lets you have coloured title bars again.
Sep 1, 2015  • #14
Jon Tackabury (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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@Lum: That's a great tip, thanks!
Sep 4, 2015  • #15
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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We've just released a new DisplayFusion beta version (http://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta/) and this issue should be all fixed up. Please let us know if you run into any trouble after updating.

Thanks!
Sep 8, 2015  • #16
Moozkit's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
PERFECT !!

a little bug anyway, when moving window with ctrl+win+w or x, sometimes when the window is fullscreen, keys need to be released to be taken into account.

and, i want to change key mapping for moving window with ctrl+win+arrows but DF delete it. are theses arrow keys reserved ?
Sep 10, 2015 (modified Sep 10, 2015)  • #17
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Which applications does that happen with?

Regarding the Ctrl + Win + Arrows, Windows 10 has those reserved so they can't be set in DisplayFusion :(
Sep 10, 2015  • #18
Moozkit's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Quote:
Regarding the Ctrl + Win + Arrows, Windows 10 has those reserved so they can't be set in DisplayFusion :(

that's what I thought
Quote:
Which applications does that happen with?

only firefox .
Sep 11, 2015 (modified Sep 11, 2015)  • #19
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Thanks! I could reproduce that issue with the hotkeys on Firefox as well. I've added it to our list
Sep 11, 2015  • #20
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
I have a *tiny* question..........

I thought this beta version was to fix the issue with the windows not being flush with the sides and bottom. Was that what this test version was for, or was it for something else and I got lost looking?

I ask because the thread start was for that, a couple other issues were mentioned in the post, and after downloading and installing I still have the problem where things aren't flush anymore.

As a side note, I didn't do a uninstall and reinstall, I did an in place upgrade to the beta version. Not sure if that makes a difference, but thought I'd mention it in case I caused an issue on my end. 8)
Sep 12, 2015 (modified Sep 12, 2015)  • #21
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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@Eric: Due to the invisible window borders and a bug in the Windows API for retrieving size/location values on mixed DPI setups in Windows 10, some applications may end up with an 8px gap on the left side when maximized to splits. Is that the issue you're running into with 7.3 Beta 6?
Sep 14, 2015  • #22
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Yes I am having that issue on the left side, but I'm also having the border issue on the right side and bottom as well, just smaller spacing even after installing the beta version (and the liver version I installed last night).

While the gap on the left side is way bigger than the right side, I'm still having (I'm guessing its about 2x pixels) on the right side and at the bottom of any window that keeps it floating just above the taskbar.

Also when I move a window it doesn't feel like it's "snapping" in place. I mean it moves where I want it too, but when comparing it to my work PC that I'm writing this on (it's Windows 7 still), when I move a window it feels like it's snapping in place. But when I move the windows around on Windows 10 it's kinda more of a placement. Is that an issue with Windows 10?

If you want I can take some screen shots when I get home if you need them, but they pretty much look like the original posters pictures. ;)
Sep 15, 2015  • #23
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Screenshots would be great :)

Trying to compensate for the Windows 10 borders is proving to be very difficult without breaking certain things, so it might be about as good as it gets for now. However, I'll have a look at your screenshots and see what we can do :)

Regarding the Window Snapping, if you increase the snap distance in the DisplayFusion Settings, does that make any difference?
Sep 16, 2015  • #24
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
If you look at the bottom and sides of the Firefox window you'll see that you can see my Windows background around the sides, like it's floating just close to the edge. :-[

I did try altering the snapping distance, but for me it didn't see like it mattered :|
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Sep 16, 2015  • #25
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Ah ok, thanks! So it's just an issue when snapping to the edges, not when maximizing the window, right?
Sep 18, 2015  • #26
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Well sorta.

Yes snapping doesn't work, but when I resize the window to make it fit it goes right back to these proportions no matter what size I make it. :|
Sep 19, 2015  • #27
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Oh weird! I haven't run into that issue yet. Could you attach a copy of your troubleshooting info?
  • Open the Settings > Troubleshooting tab
  • Click the "Copy to Clipboard" button
  • Paste the text into a text file (please don't paste the text directly into your reply, the formatting gets garbled and makes it difficult to parse)
  • Reply with the file attached
Sep 22, 2015  • #28
Mustang's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Just updated to Windows 10 and v7.3.1, so far the gap at the bottom of non-maximized windows when snapping to the bottom-left and bottom-right is super annoying. I'm using a single monitor and small taskbar buttons.
Sep 26, 2015 (modified Sep 26, 2015)  • #29
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Sorry I didn't think to refresh my Firefox window so I didn't see that you responded. I wondered why I hadn't heard anything :)

I opened it at work to check and saw that I missed your reply, so here goes.
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Oct 3, 2015  • #30
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Thanks! We'll let you guys know as soon as we've gotten this all fixed up
Oct 7, 2015  • #31
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Sooooo,

I hate to pester, but I waited over 30 days to ask, did you guys find out anything yet? (^_^)
Nov 10, 2015  • #32
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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It's still open on our list, sorry. We will definitely post an update as soon as we've gotten it fixed up.

Thanks!
Nov 11, 2015  • #33
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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We've just released a new DisplayFusion beta version (http://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta/) and the windows should now snap tight to the bottom of the monitor. Please let us know if you run into any trouble after updating.

Thanks!
Mar 30, 2016  • #34
Mustang's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Looks promising so far, thanks Keith and the rest of the team!
Mar 30, 2016  • #35
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Yes thank you! So far it seems to be working as "needed" (^_^)

I'm glad I kept checking back from time to time!!
Apr 22, 2016  • #36
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Well I believe I spoke to soon.

After the 2nd day of trying it no longer snaps any Window or keeps the settings once I close and open a window.

I rebooted and reinstalled, but it worked the first day I tried it, but it's not working after rebooting any more. =(
Apr 23, 2016  • #37
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Could you attach a screenshot of your Window Snapping settings?

Thanks!
Apr 26, 2016  • #38
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Is this ok:

Window Snapping
• Snap to Monitor Edges: Path: "\", Key: "WindowSnappingMonitors", Value: 1, AdminLock: False, Loaded: HKCU:APP
• Snap to Application Window Edges: Path: "\", Key: "WindowSnappingOtherApplications", Value: 1, AdminLock: False, Loaded: HKCU:APP
• Snap Distance: 3
• Snap Mode: OnlyWithoutModifier
• Snap Modifier: Shift
• Snap Sticky: True

If you need something different let me know, or tell me the best way to get it to you :)
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Apr 28, 2016  • #39
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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@Eric: It looks like your snap distance is very small (3). Could you try increasing it to 10 or 15?
Apr 29, 2016  • #40
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Hey Keith,

I tried what you said. I guess two things:

1.) I guess I don't understand what they snapping distance is? Is it the distance away that it grabs the window to snap it? I was thinking for some reason that it was how far away that it would float the window. Just trying to confirm that point I guess.

2.) I included a picture. Somehow only my Email client snaps to the corners properly. When I try to snap anything to the right side of my screen (as you see in my screenshot using Firefox), the top snaps OK and everything remains where it should, but the right side and bottom float away from the side and bottom of the task bar.

If all windows did it I could understand, but the email client doesn't but any "new" windows I open all do that. Do you have any idea of how I fix that?

Thanks. (^_^)
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May 2, 2016  • #41
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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I think we're maybe getting our terminology mixed up. The snap distance is how close the window has to be to the screen edge, before DisplayFusion will make it "jump" into alignment with the screen edge, at which point, it should rest at 0px from the edge.

Are you referring to dragging the window right to the very edge of the screen, so that it automatically re-sizes to fit half the screen?
May 2, 2016  • #42
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
No, I was asking what you just described. Basically if snapping distance was how far away it needed to be to an edge of a window before DisplayFusion grabbed it.

I started to wonder if I misunderstood based on your request before, to increase my distance from 3 to 10 or 15. I was then that I realized I probably misunderstood how it worked.

So you just clarified that for me.

But to my other question of why if DF grabs the window now further out, it doesn't "stay" grabbed if I space the window properly to fit three corners of my screen.

By that, if you look at the picture I put in the question, DF will set the top of the window for Firefox, but if you look at the right side of the screen and the bottom near the taskbar, there is a "small gap" the always remains. I can resize a window and fill it and everything is fine, "until" I close the window. Once I close it, then it reopens with that small gap again.

For every window except the email client in the picture, does this no matter what side of the screen it's on.

Initially when I installed the beta it went a way, but after a couple days it came back. The only change I made last night to try to get rid of the gap was to turn off Windows 10 snapping. I thought it might be interfering with DF in someway. But that didn't seem to be the case.
May 2, 2016  • #43
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Could you list a couple of the other applications that that occurs with as well? I can't seem to reproduce it with any applications that I run here.
May 4, 2016  • #44
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Actually the email program is the only one that seems to work properly, everything else seems to scoot away from the edges and the taskbar. :)

I even tried to do the auto hide for the taskbar then unhide it, but it still moves away after it's reopened. The screenshot above shows the only window that works (email client) and every other window that I open acts just like the Firefox window. Only the top locks, the sides and the bottom all have that spacing.
May 5, 2016  • #45
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
New question Keith,

Is there a way to completely remove all settings? I tried to remove it and reinstall the beta, but as I give it some thought I'm thinking that there may be some items not quite being removed. ???

Just a thought.
May 6, 2016 (modified May 6, 2016)  • #46
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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When you uninstall, if you answer yes to the "complete uninstall" question, it will remove all settings :)

Quick question, when the window isn't sized to half of the screen, if you drag it near the bottom edge of the screen, does DisplayFusion grab it and snap it tight?
May 6, 2016  • #47
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Yes. If I resize the window to something smaller then move the window around it will snap to the sides, bottom, and top just fine. But if I resize it to fill the window then close it it produces gaps on the sides and bottom.

Kinda vexing really :(
May 7, 2016  • #48
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Yeah, that's strange! I think this may be a Windows thing though. If you exit DisplayFusion, then do the same thing, what happens?
May 12, 2016  • #49
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
If I close it it doesn't snap, but it doesn't stay the corner either.

I found this link talking about it on Microsoft's website:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/my-windows-leave-a-gap-along-the-edge-of-the/629cb916-55c2-4d6c-9768-812d8f561ce6?auth=1

This is exactly my problem that I keep having.

@Keith are you saying that you "don't" get this problem? I'm just curious why I guess?
May 13, 2016 (modified May 13, 2016)  • #50
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Good question! I think the issue is that Windows is treating the invisible window border as part of the window, so when it re-opens, it bumps it over to keep it inside the work area.

As to why it's not happening with my system, the only difference I can think of is Windows 10 version. The last time you posted your troubleshooting info, you were on Windows 10 build 10240. I'm currently on the November (1511) update, which is build 10586. Are you still on 10240?
May 16, 2016  • #51
Eric T.'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
No it's the same as yours:

Version 1511
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May 19, 2016  • #52
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
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Well, I'm stumped! If I can think of anything else, I'll let you know
May 20, 2016  • #53
Lum's profile on WallpaperFusion.com
TBH, if you're not using a touchscreen (and I doubt many people are running DF on tablets) just turn off the useless invisible border using the border padding setting in WinAero tweaker.

Border Padding has caused all kinds of little window positioning glitches ever since it was added in Vista, and unless you're really inaccurate with a mouse it adds nothing useful whatsoever. At least in Vista and 7, the official UI had a way to get rid of it.

The setting was removed in 8, but the glitches were generally not noticible as the padded border was still visible. Now it's invisible in 10 and things look awful.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics\PaddedBorderWidth = 0 if you don't want to install a 3rd party app.
Jul 7, 2016 (modified Jul 7, 2016)  • #54
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